@Shiore2u

Can't say I disagree kek

But hey, it's Assassin's Creed in Japan so maybe we can make an exception here? :x
Or I could look at Ghost of Tsushima but it doesn't take place in the Sengoku and post-Nobunaga era

Yup. Have you read those terms of service and user agreements most everyone skip through and hit accept on? Cuz guess what, bub… you technically don’t own the games you bought, you’ve paid for licensing to use them.

With Gamepass you don’t have to buy games, does that make it ok then as per your Netflix example? If games are allowed to have ads and be free then it’s ok? Because I see a ton of mobile games that do this, so those are ok?

How many people sing praises to Helldivers 2? You don’t think when the servers go down you won’t be locked out of that one?

You bring up Pong and Atari, we’re in 2024, man. The digital games for consoles started with the 360 era and PS3 era and I can still go back and play all the games in my digital library from then. I don’t cry about VHS not being supported or that I can’t play an audio cassette in my car anymore. This is the times, things are kind of going all digital and I don’t throw a sh*t fit over it. It’s very rare, even with the digital games I own now, that I can’t play any of them even when they’re delisted.

I think the only games I can’t play in my library are PT (which was a demo) and Afro Samurai 2 (which they gave me money back on).

So, yea, I’m not going to stop playing a game when we already only own a license to play them. The funny thing is I think only us old farts make a stink about this sh*t. The younger generation probably doesn’t give two sh*ts about it jamming out on their Fortnite’s and every other digital only game that sells more. I mean I can still play PS3 games I downloaded… so I don’t really get bothered by it. I didn’t scream about Best Buy no longer selling movies, I buy all music digitally and I don’t huff and puff about it, sort of the same way I feel about games… I dunno, it’s just one of those things and life will go on 🤷‍♂️

How many of us are there? There’s enough of us to ruin games?

Yes there's enough to cause harm because more people have this attitude the more companies let's do more it's a frog in a boiling pot situation.

“Yes there's enough to cause harm because more people have this attitude the more companies let's do more it's a frog in a boiling pot situation.”

I think we’ll be just fine. Look at PC gamers, how long have they been digital only? I don’t see a single PC gamer whining about how games are ruined because they’re digital only on PC or how they’re just going to stop playing games because they aren’t physical…

Games won’t be “ruined” and this behavior is far from “deviant,” let’s not get all melodramatic and hyperbolic.

In the terms of agreement you do realize that it states you only purchased a license to play the game as well as making it clear you don’t technically “own” the game, right?

So, here’s a doozy for you, if you click to agree to those terms aren’t you effectively “ruining” games and enabling “deviant” behavior as well? I mean if you really want to stand true to your convictions shouldn’t you not support any game until the industry allows you to “own” the game?

I hardly think a game requiring online connection to play is a big deal at all. My console is 100% online every time I turn it on and play a game… so… yea, just another Tuesday for me.

I mean, look at Helldivers 2. Sony’s fastest selling game and the best selling game of the year and guess what… *gasp* it’s online-only… games are ruined, amirite?

PC gamers seem to be doing just fine 🤷‍♂️

Also, they already covered themselves by law. When you click accept on that User Agreement you agreed to terms of not owning the game but purchasing a license to play the game.

So… yea, the law’s going to tell you if you don’t accept those terms then you shouldn’t have agreed to them.

This really isn’t a big deal and it even came out this is just for the install making it even less of a thing to flip out over.

@crimson
Sigh man you're a corporation shill who loves this bs I want to fully own my product to do what I please those agreements shouldn't be in many games only games like mmos or games specifically designed for online. Pc users can games offline too and like that and would definitely complain about it because we are gamers

@XiNatsuDragnel

We’ll be ok in the end. I promise.

Well then I'm about a year off cause Farcry was infact my last AAA Ubi game. It was also the game that made me not wanna buy anything from them again cause of how similar the gameplay loop was to AC3. Ubisoft games have great promises and they sell you on the Idea of what a game could be, but then they copy/paste the gameplay loop across all their games. This whole online requirement thing is just horrible no matter the publisher. I have Project Diva and having to connect online when booting up the game is not good.

Of course then they'll the industry worse for all of us.

Oh yeah decades you say? I have a ps2 and a bunch of ps1/2 games and guess what… the lens on the ps2 doesn’t work anymore. I can’t play any of those games anymore. Should I boycott companies for no longer manufacturing the devices I need to play those discs now?

Or should I go dump money into buying more old systems and hope they work so I can play the games?

I really don’t care for this “anti” always online sentiment with games while all of us play the games on devices that are always connected to begin with. Buying a game on disc and a day one install patches bugs it’s not the same game on the disc you bought. Are you going to boycott it even though you needed the internet to play it without the bugs?

If I buy say last guardian, and they removed the FPS unlock from the disc and added additional content after the fact. Am I upset now that my disc doesn’t reflect the newest version of the game? Am I content knowing if Sony goes out of business in say 30 years that if I want to dust off my ps4 and play last guardian I can’t get the patch and the game is bug ridden?

The only argument I care about is if they were changing the content on the disc and telling me I have to pay to unlock the previous content I already bought.

The rest is a pointless argument that goes into territories I don’t think is worth the argument

I have loads of old CD and DVD systems as well as ancient console HW none of which failed on me except my PS3 with its very complicated 3 laser diode which no longer reads CDs and DVDs. The laser can be replaced without replacing the console in that case. But generally speaking laser diodes last longer than 20 years (not talking continuous use to be clear). You could also take better care of your systems and not damage the lens of the drive. In my case looking at PS3 the laser diode failed for legacy media meaning CD/DVD, but still reads BD-ROMs as good as new.

There are not that many games from Nintendo, PS or even Xbox that are non-functional or incompletable without the day one patch. Some examples are PCARs which needs its day 1 patch to operate like a game instead of a very expensive demo. I don't know of too many games like that. Driveclub would be a downgrade on OG HW without the many patches, but still has a fully functional offline SP campaign. Most of the hyperbole surrounding broken games is limited to the fringes and 3rd party titles. You don't actually know how bad your argument is. Imagine AC: Shadows after Ubi takes down the authentication servers? What if your HW is pristine and runs all other games fine? Well that's great, but AC: Shadows won't work because Ubi shut down their servers that authenticate your game. Are you really so dense that you can't wrap your head around the monumental differences between those concepts?

@varient

It’s funny because you are looking at it from a perspective where YOU still have said devices. I am coming from a perspective that have said devices busted, even if some of my others are in tact it doesn’t change the facts that the hardware fails. And if it’s gone which in the next decade could be EXTREMELY hard to find functional ones the disc mean jack.

The only way gaming is preserved is if the digital assets themselves are preserved which there is no reason to assume they won’t be online only or not. If anything not buying this game won’t make them want to do online requirements less. It will lead to the same problem we seen with companies like Konami where they exit the space and people start begging for the franchises they missed.